Too early to comment without all the facts.

In principle, if Macau or other spots warrant a black mark for welfare reasons then Australia would also get a black mark for sending dogs there. Irrespective of who knew about it today, such info would be picked up sooner or later and used in evidence against us.

Note this is not the first such incident.

Note this is not the first such incident.
Bruce: This aint the end of the World. No ones been Killed or Maimed, or DEFRAUDED. Lets keep this in perspective we are talking and making decisions on dogs! (Live Dogs Bruce)

1. It's the law.

2. The question about HKG horses is a good one. I would like to know the answer. (Here too).

3. Greyhound racing in Spain has been shut down completely due to welfare abuses.

4. UK and USA are under constant pressure as opponents trot out evidence of abuses and even objections from people who just don't like the breed. Many USA closures are for financial reasons but some occur simply because people don't like greyhound racing.

5. The cause of greyhound racing in this country was dealt a terrible blow by live baiting as well as by ill-considered killings by a handful of idiots. The fact that they were a minority is irrelevant in the battle to influence public opinion for the better.

6. China bans betting on races (for now at least), except in Macau.

7. Dogs are on the human menu in many parts of Asia. We have different standards.

8. To "promote and grow" in this country we must be seen to be squeaky clean. There is no other option. "Squeaky clean" is not defined by this industry but by the public at large - like it or not.

9. On many subjects I rate our racing authorities very poorly. On this one they are dead right.

10. Anyway, wait for the evidence.

Russ

no one seems to question where these expensive thoroughbreds end up when they are finished at Sha Tin and Happy Valley

Bruce

Whenever was there a viable racing industry in Spain?

Dubai seems to have taken greyhound racing more seriously.

One of our leading trainers in NSW went on a contract there

Apparently, their facilities are second to none, but there is no gambling there.

However, what's to stop greyhound racing from Dubai being beamed to all countries with betting agencies and for the local industry to earn a royalty from their races, so it can generate a revenue to help it expand

If a country makes an effort such as Dubai to fall into line with international standards, it should be encouraged, not shut out

Joe public doesn't give a ****, after the 4 corners program the following WP meeting had more thru the gate then the previous 6mths and the tab turnover was higher..

Quite right - live baiting had no obvious effect on wagering.

However, it did stuff up breeding, prompted an industry ban and then led to a long set of tougher rules for breeders and trainers to follow.

Then there are two groups to consider - those who attend the track or who have a punt at the local pub, and the other 90%-odd of the population who do neither of those things.

It's the second group that prompted the ban and the tougher regs.
The politicians listen to them as well as to anyone who threatens their electorate. Fortunately, except for the SMH and ABC, much of the rest of the media got up a head of steam, got the ban overturned, got the SFF in at Orange - ie that media influenced the general pubic.

It's always the general public! Wouldn't you rather have them with us than against us? Besides, they are potential future customers.

Spain - as near as I can establish the last conventional track shut down in 2006. However, apparently there are some unofficial straight tracks running. The sport has an appalling welfare record there.

Dubai - if TABCORP makes them available for betting, which local races would you like to see disappear? Anyway, I doubt the sheiks need any financial support. (There are internet pictures of dogs chasing a dead deer hanging from the side of a ute over a 1,000m trip).

Spain is dead and buried as far as I can see

Re Dubai

The sport of greyhound racing needs to grow and any countries who are willing to be part of the sport should be encouraged to set up properly with the appropriate standards in relation to rules of racing, drug testing and the overall welfare of the dogs involved.

Last time I looked Dubai were in a different time zone to us, 7 hours behind us therefore, if they race at night, they won't be competing with our racing, except possibly with WA and daytime UK racing.

They will need to conform to international animal welfare standards for Australia, Ireland, UK & USA to get involved with them at the greyhound level.

Ask around to see how professional their set up is and how much money they are willing to throw at it. At the moment its basically the sheikh's. However,there are plenty of wealthy people in Dubai.

They could set up a terrific circuit there, with racing at night if it is developed properly.

I wouldn't be relying on the internet for all your information. It is tainted with anti's

Anyway, the point is about expanding the sport and the blind sided attitude that our authorities have in regard to expanding opportunities outside Australia.

No it wasn't , it was the RSPCA and The Greens, and that was only because Mike the Liar needed the greens, otherwise it would have blown over, just like the trot's and horse affairs are now
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Horse is on the menu in France...home of the Prix De Arc Triomphe possibly the best horse race in the world. And the comment dogs are on the menu in most Asian countries is an absolute bullsh*t statement.

You & all the other keyboard warriors just wanna say its the law....well do you ask ;

1. Why is it the law that you cant export a greyhound to China but every other dog breed is ok?
2. How come thoroughbreds can be exported to China
3. Have the authorities got evidence that in China greyhounds are not treated to the welfare standards of Australia? And if so, why are other breeds of dogs treated differently??

Cheers

Although the export of greyhounds without a passport may be contrary to Rule 124, there is no Federal Government law prohibiting it. The lack of a greyhound passport does not preclude a greyhound from being exported from Australia and the federal regulatory scheme does not take account of the animal welfare standards of the destination country. The ******+ complied with all Department of Agriculture requirements and quarantine procedures in relation to the greyhound exports which were the subject of this decision.

..... Enough said