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Louise Carew Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1134 Dogs 65 / Races 4 22 Jun 2016 12:45
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Just wondering what people thought of him as a Sire ? I know that he was a member of a great litter and I have the last Vial of him here in Ireland and was thinking of using it with One of my bitches who is in season at present ?
Nick Kosky Australia (Verified User) Posts 161 Dogs 8 / Races 37 22 Jun 2016 22:32
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Louise Carew wrote:
Just wondering what people thought of him as a Sire ? I know that he was a member of a great litter and I have the last Vial of him here in Ireland and was thinking of using it with One of my bitches who is in season at present ?
Our first pup was a royal assassin, chase through a brick wall, only Got the 2 starts out of him coz of multiple stopper injuries but the only down side was he had a very full on personality.
Hey Brendan he has lovely blood lines and his a change head honco worked really well with our lines so Id give him a big tumbs up I think he be a nice cross for an oaks road bitch doubling up the leprechaun line...
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3237 Dogs 6 / Races 0 22 Jun 2016 23:06
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He was a dog on everyone's lips. Just great !
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 21 Mar 2018 04:23
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Hey Louise, I have just purchased a straw to use on a Broodie sometime this year I hope. The idea behind this is exactly whats been mentioned in most of his threads, and that is CHASE. It seems we may have bred for speed over the last decade or so and went away from sires who may not quite made it to the top but chased their hearts out every start(not necessarily referring to RA). Also I think that by bringing some of that old blood back to the top will give me the chance to breed back out(outcross) over the next decade whilst still maintaining a stronger percentage of the original blood. I think any testmating done with most Aussie broods will give you about 20% Temlee. These are just my ideas. Cheers.
Trevor Hagney Australia (Verified User) Posts 81 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Mar 2018 05:55
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Had a great litter by him.Every pup chased its heart out. He didn't throw group winners but did throw quality tradesman like dogs that could run 500m
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 21 Mar 2018 06:51
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Yes Trevor , in todays environment I dont see any problem with that. Cheers
Ronald Brook Australia (Verified User) Posts 8 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Feb 2023 04:56
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I hope I have done this right. Not used to all this technology. A friend of mine has purchased one of the last straws from this dog. He wants to put it over a bitch called Go Lesley. Cant do the thing. So would anyone like to make comment on this mating be it good or bad. Most happy to hear what the breeding pundits think Cheers have a great day. Or
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 18 Feb 2023 05:14
Sorry Ron, but why you would a 25 year old sire who was only ordinary when he was alive, to a bitch who ran last in a squib race at Ipswich in her only start, is beyond me. Sorry for being harsh, but fair dinkum.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 18 Feb 2023 09:08
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Thats easy Paul, because you wouldnt waste your money on a good sire. He only produced seven track record holders in his day. Because its a good way to strengthen a dam line that exists back in the pedigree of his bitch. Because it may be the only bitch he has. Because he wants to and can. Because he could produce some handy dogs. Go for it Ron. Cheers
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Feb 2023 10:37
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Hi Ron Your mate is looking for a breeding bravery award. My opinion is that Royal Assassin has a weakness at stud. No grandsons at stud. Royal Assassin is the end of.his sireline, unlike GWT So to use a 25 year old sire whose sireline is ended X an unproven Bitch is high risk. From a purist point of view an old sire (GWT) whose sireline is still kicking X with a proven dam. Now thats really interesting
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 18 Feb 2023 16:13
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michael worth wrote:
Thats easy Paul, because you wouldnt waste your money on a good sire. He only produced seven track record holders in his day. Because its a good way to strengthen a dam line that exists back in the pedigree of his bitch. Because it may be the only bitch he has. Because he wants to and can. Because he could produce some handy dogs. Go for it Ron. Cheers
If anyone wonders why the industry is doomed. Read this post.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 18 Feb 2023 19:37
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Sorry Dixie if Im bringing the industry to its knees. I thought you had other ideas in some of your other opinionated posts why were doomed. Lets start with FB. As shown in Darrens post both FB and BB are only a dream for 84% of breeders/owners. Welfare is a big issue right Dixie? Well FB has over 16,000 offspring racing with only 16% winning metro races. I cant deny he throws some quality dogs amongst that 16% but its a hell of a lot of dogs to rehome. Then theres all the pups that didnt even make it to the track in which theres plenty. More likely to bring the industry down than one mating to RA. At least RAs pups should chase and go around which should make the punters happy which we will be doomed without. Graham as you know both RA and BB are by HH so should we be talking about HH sire line being dead. He did produce some handy females that went on to produce the likes of Cindeen Shelby, Que Sera Sera etc. As most breeders know the dam is the major player and I would go as far as to say that RA carries a more potent and on producing dam line then GWT. GWT big break came with the mating to PB and Im pretty confident thats a great dam line. Apart from being by the same sire they do have the common trait of producing chase when mated to different dams, a trait that should be encouraged with the amount of nonnies going around today. I dont know Ron so cant call him a mate but someone whos prepared to have a go. The fact that hes reinforcing the damline at the top of the tree will probably give him a better percentage of producing hard chasing bread and butter dogs then going to FB or BB which will probably end up at GAP and cost him a fortune. I know you will ramble on about your GOAT Dixie who will eventually bring the industry to its knees with welfare and rehoming being our biggest issues. He also come from an obscure sire. Nice posts Nick, Mark and Trevor. Cheers
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 18 Feb 2023 21:35
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This topic has absolutley nothing to do with FB. It does have everything to do in being honest and saying puting that very very ordinary 25 year old sire to that very very ordinary bitch simply shouldn't be done. Plain and simple
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 18 Feb 2023 21:38
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The benefit breeding to older sires. You can well and truly see what works. His best two were top notch bitches Dancing Habit and Arisara and both carry the same makeup. Cindeen Shelby makes it blatantly obviously the only way to go mating to Royal Assassin.
Plenty of worth (pun not intended) in what Michael said.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 18 Feb 2023 21:54
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Paul Dicks wrote:
This topic has absolutley nothing to do with FB. It does have everything to do in being honest and saying puting that very very ordinary 25 year old sire to that very very ordinary bitch simply shouldn't be done. Plain and simple
In your Opinion Dixie, but thats what Im saying, what about all the FB matings that didnt work, they shouldnt have been done either. Breedings a gamble mate regardless of the mating. Ron may even breed some handy bitches which could be top producers in the future given all the outcross sires around. Do you know 100% Dixie that this mating wont produce a handy pup? Please give me your expert opinionated opinion which will will need to be 100% correct . Sorry to bring your GOAT into mate but welfare will kill us and rehoming is a huge problem for dogs that dont come up to scratch for racing and he has the majority just the same as he makes up half the field in most races. Its not rocket science Dixie. Thanks Darren. Cheers
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 18 Feb 2023 21:55
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This litter isn't being bred because the pedigree is linebred back to a line 5 generations ago. It's being proposed because someone is selling RA FS for $400 (which should be flushed down the drain not up for sale) and Ron's mate who has a scrubber bitch (who should be in the GAP program, but can't because there is a 8 month waiting list). You are reading way too much into this.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 18 Feb 2023 22:01
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Its a good debate and merit on both sides of the argument. I could only breed to Royal Assassin, as mentioned above.if you want to breed to him, find a suitable bitch - that goes for all matings.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 18 Feb 2023 22:04
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You havent answered the question Dixie. Can you definitely say that this mating wont produce at least one or two consistent racing machines ,similar to most matings. The reason theres an eight month lag into GAP is because you cant get through the herd of GOATS waiting out the front. Cheers
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 18 Feb 2023 22:09
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
