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Colin Bermingham Australia (Verified User) Posts 340 Dogs 4 / Races 17 15 Mar 2019 21:10
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You're spot on there Matt given FB and Bb have served around 100 and 80 bitches respectively this year alone there can't be a lot left but given we are breeding ourselves into a corner there should be some opportunities down the track in the future particularly for sires without those dogs within there pedigree. I'm in that position myself given our first three litters where Fab, BB And FB and given the likes of KB and KC and All BI are all no longer available we will have to start looking elsewhere.
Luke Miller Australia (Verified User) Posts 794 Dogs 56 / Races 17 15 Mar 2019 23:49
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The 3 freshman sires who will make it due to numbers amongst other things are Aston Dee Bee, Mepunga Blazer and new kid on the block My Redeemer. But the dog that could make it if given half a chance in my opinion is Zinzan Brooke he is suitable for most bitches being a virtual Australian outcross no Brett Lee,Bombastic Shiraz or Collision. I picked up a litter of pups by him today from the transporter Peter Simpson and he quoted "that they are the best pups he has handled in 40 years involvement in the sport".
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 16 Mar 2019 19:37
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Hi Luke
I took the two black bitches from that litter from Richmond to past Bathurst after picking them up from Peter.
Beautiful outgoing pups who handled the trip like veterans, considering they had been on the road for 12 hours.
Got them out but they were as bright as a button.
Had a mate in the car who is now going to use Zinzan Brooke over his bitch after observing these pups.
However, I agree with you, the studs with the numbers will always get the most attention.
I like all 3 of the dogs you have mentioned as well but breeders need to think outside the square
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 16 Mar 2019 23:12
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I think half brothers Pindari Express & Andos Mac will produce...if they get enough opportunity.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 17 Mar 2019 02:23
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Matt James wrote:
In no particular order these are the sires that could be considered new (and I'm sure I'll miss some)
*blazin bomber *pantera neara *big black *vanderworp *my redeemer *jesaulenko *margins *cutting edge *moreira *brad hill billy *fantastic spiral *let it develop *black bear Lee *LA grand logie *dyna Villa *tauread *Dundee osprey *unlawful entry *worm burner *burn one down *paua to roar *innocent til *xtreme knocka *zinzan Brooke *zabdon Ferrari *ultimate magic *shoulders *space star *aqua cheetah *torque flight *Luca naveelk *zipping Felix *Bessy boo *norm the storm *dalgetty *knight sprite *smart missile *thirty talks *no donuts *file the writ *Aussie infrared *ritza Lenny *mister twister *bubble guppy *pure titanium *andos Mac *lightning frank *bewildering *shima bar *rippin Sam *Bernardo *hecton bale *mepunga blazer *jimmy newob *Aston dee bee *azkaban *west on Augie *fast times *out of range *raw ability *zambora Brockie *aphorism
Unfortunately 95% of these sires will fail due to not getting numbers
Very true 95% wont make it.
Its a tough for young stud dogs people either love you or wont you use.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 17 Mar 2019 02:38
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Darren
It's 95% about selling the pups from the litter and 5% due to proper breeding techniques
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Mar 2019 03:34
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This isn't meant to be disrespectful
*blazin bomber (underutilized, but 1st crop broke in good) *pantera neara (underutilized) *big black (only starting, offering heavily reduced services but may struggle) *vanderworp (only starting out, could struggle outside wa) *my redeemer (only starting out, getting plenty of respect) *jesaulenko (struggling) *margins (struggling) *cutting edge (underused, but 1st crop can run so numbers could improve) *moreira (underused, 1st crop OK numbers should improve) *brad hill billy (underused, recent break ins should help) *fantastic spiral (struggling) *let it develop (had a few services with a few talented runners already) *black bear Lee (underused, first crop ok) *LA grand logie (struggling, deserves better) *dyna Villa (wheeler must know something, but most a bit field shy) *tauread (underused) *Dundee osprey (underused) *unlawful entry (underused, but some very good wraps about that could change that) *worm burner (big wraps on his 1st crop, could be extremely good) *burn one down (underused) *paua to roar (underused) *innocent til (struggling) *xtreme knocka (struggling) *zinzan Brooke (underused, but enormous wraps on his pups should turn that around) *zabdon Ferrari (underused) *ultimate magic (struggling) *shoulders (had a few nice runners already) *space star (struggling) *aqua cheetah (struggling) *torque flight (struggling) *Luca naveelk (struggling) *zipping Felix (struggling) *Bessy boo (very underappreciated) *norm the storm (hasn't had much) *dalgetty (very underused) *knight sprite (struggling) *smart missile (underused, already got winners) *thirty talks (getting services, but 1st crop quiet so far) *no donuts (struggling) *file the writ (don't know if he's had a service) *Aussie infrared (slightly underused) *ritza Lenny (underused) *mister twister (struggling) *bubble guppy (not a clue) *pure titanium (not a clue) *andos Mac (getting a chance) *lightning frank (underused) *bewildering (bit quiet, could change with a change of stud farm) *shima bar (underused) *rippin Sam (had a few services, but will probably struggle being a stayer) *Bernardo (underused so far, being a outcross could help him into the future) *hecton bale (still racing with 1 or 2 litters) *mepunga blazer (getting his chance) *jimmy newob (don't think he's serving yet) *Aston dee bee (getting his chance) *azkaban (only early days) *west on Augie (still racing, but available) *fast times (only new) *out of range (early days) *raw ability (early days, but seems to be missing out slightly to other barcia sons) *zambora Brockie (owners will be a bit disappointed with his reception at stud, 1st crop can run which should improve numbers) *aphorism (struggling a bit)
Rob Frendo Australia (Verified User) Posts 322 Dogs 1 / Races 0 17 Mar 2019 05:52
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Great summary Matt- appreciate you taking the time out to write it up and l agree with what is written.
I have a pup by Sulzanti who just is doing everything right, chases anything and has broken in above average . I would consider buying another by him.
Orson Allen will havevrhem lined up when he is done . A son of KC that just had it all
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 17 Mar 2019 06:21
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Dyna villa most pups are field shy
Please Matt elaborate this theory on his first 100 offspring to hit the tracks Seriously interested in your thoughts and how you have arrived at this evaluation
Be good if you could name a few of the ones that have done this what I would imagine should be easy to notice trait , considering most of his offspring are doing this ..... 50-60 of them roughly by your words
First Ive heard of all these villas running around shy of others ?
Should be an interesting read , take your time or as many days as needed to get a handful of races to show me this please Cheers
Ps not being disrespectful either to you , just asking you to elaborate on your evidence
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Mar 2019 07:05
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I didn't want to offend anyone. Its just my personal opinion on what I've seen and heard. I'll rephrase, dyna villa hasn't had a large pool of dogs race as of yet but what he has had race Paul wheeler so far has had the majority of the luck with. I have heard people say to me that they trial a lot better then they go in a field (I'm not going to name anyone because if they wanted their opinion out they'd be on this forum).
I'm aware that there is a hot litter coming through for wheelers and I'm gonna guess you've got a couple of handy ones too. Good luck with them, hopefully I'm completely wrong.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Mar 2019 07:25
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Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Mar 2019 07:49
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Provided he comes back for another campaign I think Aston kimetto can get a fair few services that Orson Allen would've otherwise got. Around the 1 turn tracks he probably had Orson Allen covered not that long ago. Yes Orson Allen has been dominant at cannington, Horsham etc. recently, but there was also no Aston kimetto to run over the top of him in the strait
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 17 Mar 2019 08:00
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Matt James wrote:
I didn't want to offend anyone. Its just my personal opinion on what I've seen and heard. I'll rephrase, dyna villa hasn't had a large pool of dogs race as of yet but what he has had race Paul wheeler so far has had the majority of the luck with. I have heard people say to me that they trial a lot better then they go in a field (I'm not going to name anyone because if they wanted their opinion out they'd be on this forum).
I'm aware that there is a hot litter coming through for wheelers and I'm gonna guess you've got a couple of handy ones too. Good luck with them, hopefully I'm completely wrong.
Matt
You decided to pigeon hole ( summarise) over 50 sires Im guessing For me thats interesting in itself or a hard reach in anyones go , no offence
And as you know , I do have a slight obsession with following sires and damlines and so forth Im not upset about what anyone writes about any topic , all I did was read your one line descriptions on sires who have none or 5-15 litters on the ground
With most runners we can all agree you can spot a trait occurring I found field shy an interesting description
Now that you have elaborated on trialing better then field performing ,no worries Coz I cant remember any villa running with a trait of not having a go or turning it up
I actually thought they showed pretty good chase all round Wheeler might have had the highest quality success ,but there is actually qiute a few that have enjoyed track success with nearly every litter he has had producing one or more 100 rated pup in each litter ( which can be a load of shyt also) But every sire gets the same rate
I dont know what I have Matt and I wont judge till they hit track , nice lookers but
If your interested in sires and searching for that bit more detail on them ,you should go visit them at sires on ice , take a bitch to get done and go and look at them in person and see what theyre made of
Villa is inbetween banjo boy and zambora brockie , all fine specimens With keybow who I noticed hasnt got a mention on here a few doors up ! Talk about solid as a brick
Cheers Matt
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Mar 2019 10:14
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I wasn't trying to pigeonhole/summerise any sires, more pointing out how unfair it is for most sires.
But to be honest I can't really disagree with anything you posted. Like yourself I keep a pretty close eye on the progress of most sires. I can guarantee there are sires I think are great that people would laugh at and sires I don't rate that people love.
Keybow probably hasn't had a mention because he's had a pretty large number of dogs perform on the track already.
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 17 Mar 2019 17:15
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I find it interesting to see SULZANTI isnt in that long list. From what I read from The Recorder.: As of the 1st of January to now, Sulzanti sits at number 32 in top 100 sires so far this year ranked by prize money He has had 48 runners 282 starts 50 wins 42 seconds 40 thirds Strike rate of 18% win 47% Place rate. He has only 10 litters Racing 29 litters on the ground Considering the market and the Quality of bitches he has served Im extremely happy with the way he has performed. Luckily for me Im still selling a few straws and higher quality Broods are using him now.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 17 Mar 2019 20:36
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Ben George wrote:
I find it interesting to see SULZANTI isnt in that long list. From what I read from The Recorder.: As of the 1st of January to now, Sulzanti sits at number 32 in top 100 sires so far this year ranked by prize money He has had 48 runners 282 starts 50 wins 42 seconds 40 thirds Strike rate of 18% win 47% Place rate. He has only 10 litters Racing 29 litters on the ground Considering the market and the Quality of bitches he has served Im extremely happy with the way he has performed. Luckily for me Im still selling a few straws and higher quality Broods are using him now.
To be completely honest I didn't put him on the up and coming sire list I made up (I said I'd miss some) because I thought he was more established than he was because he's getting city winners most weeks.
I agree it's a tough market, but you probably shouldn't be mentioning the quality he's received. If they were no good he wouldn't be getting consistant winners
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 17 Mar 2019 22:06
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Matt James wrote:
Ben George wrote:
I find it interesting to see SULZANTI isnt in that long list. From what I read from The Recorder.: As of the 1st of January to now, Sulzanti sits at number 32 in top 100 sires so far this year ranked by prize money He has had 48 runners 282 starts 50 wins 42 seconds 40 thirds Strike rate of 18% win 47% Place rate. He has only 10 litters Racing 29 litters on the ground Considering the market and the Quality of bitches he has served Im extremely happy with the way he has performed. Luckily for me Im still selling a few straws and higher quality Broods are using him now.
To be completely honest I didn't put him on the up and coming sire list I made up (I said I'd miss some) because I thought he was more established than he was because he's getting city winners most weeks.
I agree it's a tough market, but you probably shouldn't be mentioning the quality he's received. If they were no good he wouldn't be getting consistant winners
Both keybow and Sulzanti only have between 10-15 litters above 2 years old They are both new and both have similar results Saying his broods thus far arent the highest quality isnt a slur to brood owners Its simple facts , no different to highlighting the top sires have the cream Its no disrespect to Barcia or Fernando theyve earnt it But its still fact to take note
If your one of the owners of a brood who have opted to use Sulzanti keybow or Hey Fergus and you think your 400mtr country winning brood is as good as a 600 mtr grp running ,winning or previously producing grp brood and your offended by a stud master calling it as it is ! Or your someone on the outside who had nothing to do with any of these matings but yet have an opinion on what is offensive
Snap out of it , no one said they didnt have certain qualities
Ask any struggling stud master , its how it is and to be expected Im sure any studmaster is great full to anyone who has tried or given their sire a leg up ..... it goes without saying doesnt it
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 17 Mar 2019 22:33
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Matt. I call it as it is because its true...I dont dance around the facts. In many cases he will have raised the value of some of these Broods next litters He has had few nice Broods too.
Michaele Alderdice Australia (Verified User) Posts 569 Dogs 0 / Races 1 17 Mar 2019 23:21
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Spot on Nathan , cant pick and choose at the bottom of the ladder . Whilst Andos Mac has received a few broods Im surprised he hasnt received more . Im not sure why breeders shy away from certain dogs and flock to others . Andos Mac had high speed , strength , chase and raced at the top level his whole career contesting the warnabool cup at only his 5th start . His breeding is 2nd to none with his mother producing champions with more just about to hit the tracks from her wheres Pedro litter . I have used him twice and they are the best pups chase and determination wise we have ever had . However we all say that dont we .... cheers Luke .
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 18 Mar 2019 01:40
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"Money Talks" divide prize money by starts to see how well a stud is doing.
Barcia $500.05 a start
Fernando Bale $762.41
KC and All $844.97
Sulzanti $396.30
Wheres Pedro $339.28
Hostile $286.40
Anyway just a guide and younger sires don't have those more maturer runners racing in higher grade.