What out governing bodies decide we run our dogs after has nothing do to with us or what is right or even needed bud ?

Our dogs chase on a system that yes your correct is sometimes 2 lures , Do u think this helps the greyhound or can sometimes confuse them ?

Do u think our greyhounds chasing a lure on the short sighted way around on the rail side as apposed to on the outside like yours ,where it is in longer sight makes it easier for our greyhounds to chase something unsighted for half the race ?

On a looped hoola hoop that scares the shit out of some of them as apposed to yours on the ground that replicates a live chase ?

Or yours , Preferred boxes for every greyhound to feel comfortable every single run , routine ! As apposed to ours thrown around from one end to the other getting smashed 2 out of 3 runs from dogs in wrong boxes ?

Laughable your thoughts on Aussie dogs with no chase let alone Irish/UK being the fastest in the world ?

Heres a list of the last fastest sires that either won your biggest races or ran trec that youve sent in the last decade with all in the end being unwanted for obvious reasons !

Youd think for all your apparent qualities and being the best that atleast half of them would assist our non chasing kangaroo greyhounds ? And still be in demand

Half of Americas last ten are still around and producing stud dogs of their own now !

Cant wait to hear the excuses on these

Ninja Jamie
Fear zafonic
Paradise Madison
Skywalker puma
Makeshift
Taylors sky
Confident rankin
Zero ten
Mildean panther
Ballymac vic

Lets hope Droopys Sydney turns it around finally , so far his first litter to a city brood has a combined 12 starts or more for one 3rd and a ticket Im assuming when one finished 30 lengths last ?

The 2 kangaroos mustnt have been big enough

Larkhill Jo sired Group 1 winner Paddys Flame and his influence is duplicated in Dundee Osprey and Postman Pat, just as his duplication through Droopys Kewell in Ireland and the UK performs the same, to an elite level.

Westmead Hawk sired in recent years the brilliant multiple G1 winner Gypsy Wyong.

The sires youve conveniently isolated, were moderate to poor sires in their own country as well.

You bang on about Fernando Bale, but fail to acknowledge his sires mother was an Irish import to the U.S. Fernando Bale, Barcia Bale and Zambora Brockie are littered with Irish/UK lines.

The U.S. are huge on Irish lines - theyve imported dam lines for great success e.g Flying Stanley, Dodgem By Design, Pat C Rendezvous, WW Apple Jax, Husker Magic

So many U.S. sires have heavy Irish/UK influence - Oswald Cobblepot, Minaki Zeke, Fortress (see Trip And Go), Gable Dodge, Dodgem By Design, Flying Penske, Kiowa Sweet Trey, Kinloch Brae, Kiowa Mon Manny, SE Tali Sundance, KC and All, Bella Infrared, SH Avatar are all dominant to Irish/UK lines.

Atleast stick to the factual topic at hand

And youve also got me pegged wrong as the guy that bangs on about Fernando ? Ive never used him ( unlike you !) and Ive always pointed out his major flaws due to over rated dribble

Fernando
Small bitches 20kg ?
No nuts for dogs ?
Chasing can be questionable ?
Would be the hardest breed to get going from pups to race
Theyre either super stars , or super shit !
His sire was useless, which explains half the problems his pups have ! And has always made me question the whole x placement ?
Apparently he cant pass on his fathers genetics ! I beg to differ

Look up Fernando thread Darren
I was the only one bringing up the negatives about him and got shot down everytime coz he throws a winner at wenty !

I always say it how I see it , no favouritism to any sire , they all have faults as much as their positives !

Yes Irish is found everywhere ! And I think they are best placed in the damline . But my point isnt have they thrown champ or two like your referencing ? Its about the last 8 years of shit thats come out has been horrible? Simple , if you want to argue with that truth , youve got an agenda or love affair I dont wish to hear about bud

Stick to the last decade mate , its what Ive always talked about , not 1990 !

The US delivered with
Kinloch brae
Bella infrared
Kc and all
Superior Panama
Sh avatar

All producing studs of their own ? Name 1 Irish sire in this same time period ! Please

I've also got a Zero Ten straw and if you look at the 4 litters he has sired in Australia 20 pups 11 raced one litter earning over 100k isn't terrible. Would like to use but will be reconsidering my dog hobby if my next litter fails considering I'm still feeding CR dogs whilst on the GAP waiting list.

What you conveniently ignored, was all the Irish /UK ones that you mentioned, were also, moderate at best to poor sires in Ire/UK as well. Meaning, when great Irish/UK sires come here as mentioned above they shape the breed. As they have always done world wide.

The U.S. ones you mentioned are ALL dominant to Irish blood and the reason why they work so well here in Australia e.g Aussie Infrared, Hard Style Rico, Incapacitated, Handsome Prince, Bernardo, Aston Rupee, Orson Allen, Moreira etc

Droopys Sydney will have no excuses, as hes an all time great. However, to sh@t can him off one litter. Is just the typical narks of the world waiting feverishly to pounce.

Outcross blood is so important to the breed. You only need to look at Mike Ivers latest star litter to average at best Goodesy. Without all that imbedded outcross hes used, including the failed out here Kiowa Sweet Trey (USA). He wouldnt have the ability of Like Wildfire or before that Tornado Tears and Space Star. Mike Ivers dam line has always benefited from outcross blood, which hes consistently imbedded over the years, same with Paul Wheeler. He benefited extremely well, from failed Silver Ball.

Im simply going off the last crop to come out here in the last 10 years that Ive witnessed myself and also watched and listened to some of the best breeders here in aust on what played out !

You can call them all average all you like , but the best in the game Wheeler and co. All used them ? And they might still prosper later on , which is what Ive always acknowledged

Heres the thing and only interesting thing youve brought to the table , theres big breeders and then there is thousands of hobby breeders ! Its ok for Wheeler to have 100 pups to get the one super freak , and same for Ivers with goodesy!
But guess what , it dont cut it for the hobby who youve just heard say 1 more litter and Im out

These new sires imop should be left for big breeders to be sifted through and the hobby picks up the one super freak that collected all the intended or desired upgraded genetics

Thats all Ive ever tried to display and give info to . Goodesy is awesome thru the dam and obviously throw a freak , but his original dozen batches were full of dogs that would turn around half way round a track and run back to the boxes !
No good for a hobby breeder bud

Im not a nark waiting to pounce feverishly? All litters count mate and if the second litter do the same thing , hes a sire not for me , Fernando went bang , infrared , kc etc from their first litter and didnt stop .

Theres sires out there like orson allen that to me are real bread and butter types , no super freak yet pardoning Alpha Zulu could be something that we will see in the flying Amy this week , but they show a very good strong chase sense and can handle a knock and keep coming .

These are the sires for hobby breeders imop

Not some outcross sire weve listened to for the last year win every day in his homeland thats thrown a poor litter and a ticket maiden runner and think yeh , my lines need this outcross that at the end of the day is MORE of a risk or chance then another proven sire

Thats my point

I dunno that I'd consider him an outcross, so you'll just have to keep breeding STL ;)

Hes had one litter to grace the track and youve jumped all over him, enough said. You are living in a time warp. New sires are new sires and deserve their chance to prove themselves.

Go look at the stats on every sire available, theyre woeful, why is that?

Fatboyz Nodrog was a fascinating one years ago, with an Aussie stud dog blending sensationally with coursing lines - https:/ CLICK HERE

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You could argue that the New Tears sire line still alive Collision with Feral Franky/GOH and the re-emergence of Goodsey are prominent

However the source of it Roanokee, way back on the 5th line is out of a bitch by Grove Whisper, another Irish import used successfully here

However, looking at his 12-gen pedigree chart 13 out of the top 19 (those with 4% or higher) are the Irish lines in his pedigree and they appear to be dominating.

How it will work here is another issue, but it has a reasonable chance of success due to his own potency as a sire.

What we have to remember is that for the last 25 years or so the Irish imported our blood back to Ireland starting with Top Honcho, Jamella Prince, Frightful Flash and co

They had an immediate effect on their breed because they themselves were breeding into a corner.

Then they started bringing USA blood with the likes of Hondo Black, Kinloch Brae, Vans Escalade and then Superior Product etc

We traditionally imported Irish lines to mix sires which for a long had the same effect as us exporting our lines to Ireland.

Then we copied them and started importing USA blood courtesy of Paul Wheeler, Geoff Collins and co.

It has transformed our breed again for sure.

However, now we are in a position where the breed is going to be dominated by Gable Dodge via Fernando Bale and KC And All and also Barcia Bale

Ireland has already gone through the transition of mixing our blood and USA blood into their lines.

We are currently in the middle of it and what I can see that for the past 10 years or so there has been no use or value to import Irish sons or grandsons of Head Honcho or Brett Lee or Just The Best

So why? Answer - because we already had them in abundance here and we had the ability to get frozen semen for all theirt good sires like Spiral Nikita, Larkhill Jo, Premier Fantasy and co

Now a lot of our exported lines are being pushed back in the pedigrees in Ireland via the emergence of Westmead Hawk, Sonic Flight, Kinloch Brae, Hondo Black, Flying Penske, KST and other USA influences that they were importing before we were

They are now creating males that will make sense when imported here to this country.

Droopys Sydney himself has True Aussie dog 3/4 back in his pedigree i.e. New Tears, Honcho Classic, Smooth Rumble and Frightful Flash

But also has Droopys Kewell, Larkhill Joe, Blue Murlen, Phantom Flash sitting there and closer in

He is a product of the blending of Ireland and Australian lines but they are now far back enough to blend with our new lines that we have here and hopefully make an impact

His sons that will get imported may be even better as they will be set even further back

His progeny will have them 4/5 gens back

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Pestana is the same, Head Honcho, New Tears, BDC are 4 gend back in his pedigree and the pups will have them 5 gens back, but he has Flying Penske and Kinloch Brae up close along with Larkhill Jo, Staplers Jo and Phantom Flash

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Explosive Boy is another one whgo could make a huge impact. He is bringing back Surf Lorian who couldn;t create a sire line here in this country most probably due to his own inbreeding

However, a great great grandson of him mixed with Irish and USA blood and some of our premoum blood in Wheres Pedro, Brett Lee set back could take off here

https:/ CLICK HERE

The USA took Tell You Why and the Moss dogs and blended them with our lines, then they came back and morphed back into our lines that had changed over 20-30 years from the time they were exported

All the lines around the world are basically recycling themselves and outcrossing to those older lines is where you will get superior performers and sounder dogs going forward

This has been going on forever, but now its just happening again before your eyes

https:/ CLICK HERE

Sandro ,
They are still racing there for atleast another year and still producing champions and future studs

We will still be catered for by the US for a min , the next 5 years , watch the next crop !

Ps. Calling all European countries.. can you please provide a stud thats bombproof , offspring can run all distances 400 -700 mtr ?

You have until 2035 to do this ! At present our hopes rely on Freida Las Vegas and Just Terms ! The cycle of the greyhound genetics says you can do this !

Pss. This is light hearted humour Darren ! Calm
Psss. Cmon Alpha tonight in the flying Amy !! A lovely 2 time outcrossed pup to the almighty US blood .

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A lot of wonderfull sires all in the x path ..!
Awesome stud potential if his journey continues on the rise !

Cheers

But I don't think there will be anything worthwhile coming out of the USA in the next 5 years

Anything worthwile that was in USA is already in Ireland and in Australia

They are basically racing on 2 or 3 tracks, with a severely diminished gene pool and the racing cannot be as strong as it was.

Their breeding is now dominated by superior panama and the remnants of the flying pwnske, kiowa sweet try and gable dodge lines, all lines we can get here with local dogs and current frozen seven

No arguing people trust KC And All, Bella Infrared, Kinloch Brae and Sh Avatar more than unproven sires, but they're either unavailable or at a premium price now

Your example of Super C Brew is a great template for what I have been talking about

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He carries Larking About as his granddam, some great Irish/UK lines blended in with USA lines

He may be worthy of a guernsey here in Australia

PS PAW used Larking About here in Australia and produced some very nice dogs from maybe less than 6 mating's

Sandown Laurels Finalist Cara Bale who went on to produce multiple Group 1 finalist Ernest Bale amongst many other city class dogs

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Multiple City Winners and littermates Napthine Bale and Dyna Alina who then went on to produce a Group finalist in Umbridge Bale to Djays Octane

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Multiple City winner Steve Allen

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Multiple City winner and Group finalist Amanda Bale, dam of 4 individual Group 1 & 2 finalists to none other than Bekim Bale with daughter Parsec Bale going on to produce multiple city and distance winners to Fernando Bale

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Its not a hard formula to follow, the blood is there you just have to use it