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Dunno mate, but a fair few of his winners have a double of credibility. You'd have to ask someone who knows more about it but I've just noticed a few is all
I don't think he's had enough runners to answer that question. But I guess time will tell. Pretty good start so far though I reckon
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 13 Sep 2014 22:15
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Big tickets mother was hardly a ''FAST BITCH'' She won one from 14 starts but she did throw the good dog single man to collision,but Fabregas looks too have upgraded her again with this speed freak big ticket.
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 19 Sep 2014 12:05
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Scissor Queen had 8 black pups today. 4 bitches 4 dogs to Fabragas. Couldn't be happier.
Jeff Crawford Australia (Verified User) Posts 238 Dogs 12 / Races 0 19 Sep 2014 19:47
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ben george wrote:
Scissor Queen had 8 black pups today. 4 bitches 4 dogs to Fabragas. Couldn't be happier.
Mate, great number, great breeding, best of luck.
Jeff.
David Deguara United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 958 Dogs 81 / Races 93 23 Sep 2014 08:10
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Whilst Performance Trials are simply that - a trial, Handsome Devil CLICK HERE zipped around Bathurst yesterday in 25.66.
Scissor Queen had 8 black pups today. 4 bitches 4 dogs to Fabragas. Couldn't be happier.
Still plan on the $7k price tag Ben?
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 23 Sep 2014 21:07
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Cosmic Rumble x 1st 10 litters C = City Win x2= littermates win @ 500m+ 1st/win..1st/500m+..500m+ x 2.. C/500m+.. x 2CW/500m+ won @ 400m.. won .. won .. x .. x won @ 411 .. x .. x .. x .. x won @ 400 .. won .. won .. x .. x 0 wins x 2 pups in the litter 1 x unnamed won @ 431 .. won .. x .. x .. x won @ 410 .. x .. x .. x .. x : 2pups 1 unnamed won @ 318 .. x .. x .. x .. x won @ 347 .. x .. x .. x .. x won @ 340 .. won .. x .. x .. x won @ 515 .. won .. won .. won .. won : Billy The Cid etc ............................................................... College Causeway x 1st 10 litters Winner 500m+ 500m+ x 2 1C/win x 2CW/Littermates won @ 460 .. x x x x x x x x x won @ 450 .. won won won won won @ 500 .. won x x x 1 raced from litter of 10 won @ 500 .. won won Won? x not enough litters racing as yet so it's time out for now ............................................................... Fabregas x 1st 10 Litters Winner 500m+ 500m+ x 2 1C/win x 2CW/Littermates Won @ 425 .. x x x x won @ 460 .. x x x x won @ 535 ..won won x x Won @ 400 ..won x x x won @ 520 ..won won x x won @ 450 ..x x x x won @ 440 ..won x x x won @ 310 ..x x x x x x x x x won @ 310 x x x x Early days on this Sire Very few City starters
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 23 Sep 2014 21:13
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John McAlister wrote:
Cosmic Rumble x 1st 10 litters C = City Win x2= littermates win @ 500m+ 1st/win..1st/500m+..500m+ x 2.. C/500m+.. x 2CW/500m+ won @ 400m.. won .. won .. x .. x won @ 411 .. x .. x .. x .. x won @ 400 .. won .. won .. x .. x 0 wins x 2 pups in the litter 1 x unnamed won @ 431 .. won .. x .. x .. x won @ 410 .. x .. x .. x .. x : 2pups 1 unnamed won @ 318 .. x .. x .. x .. x won @ 347 .. x .. x .. x .. x won @ 340 .. won .. x .. x .. x won @ 515 .. won .. won .. won .. won : Billy The Cid etc ............................................................... College Causeway x 1st 10 litters Winner 500m+ 500m+ x 2 1C/win x 2CW/Littermates won @ 460 .. x x x x x x x x x won @ 450 .. won won won won won @ 500 .. won x x x 1 raced from litter of 10 won @ 500 .. won won Won? x not enough litters racing as yet so it's time out for now ............................................................... Fabregas x 1st 10 Litters Winner 500m+ 500m+ x 2 1C/win x 2CW/Littermates Won @ 425 .. x x x x won @ 460 .. x x x x won @ 535 ..won won x x Won @ 400 ..won x x x won @ 520 ..won won x x won @ 450 ..x x x x won @ 440 ..won x x x won @ 310 ..x x x x x x x x x won @ 310 x x x x Early days on this Sire Very few City starters
How can you use this info on Fabregas because his pups are so young and I don't think they are over 2 yet .
Fabregas has had huge numbers to visit him and well deserved and he will throw some of our best race dogs in the future ..
The Bombastic sire line will be continue to throw class and quality for many years to come .
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 23 Sep 2014 21:39
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Kev we all know that it is early days with Fabregas and these are very raw stats especially being his 1st Crop of Youngsters but they are there to Compare against Cosmic Rumble and College Causeway who people are bagging and even he has,nt a lot of pups racing here in Oz and we have conjecture there with him but out of Fabregas's 1st 10 litters where 1 litter hasn't raced another of 10 where 1 has started and won, it is starting to give a nice insight into the possible capabilities for the Future of this dog which looks quite good and if you pitch him up against Cosmic Rumble you will see that a pattern in the new younger dog looking more than comparable it is looking better seeing Fabregas has thrown a 500m+ winner in 40% of his 1st 10 litters with plenty to come Cosmic Rumble 50% and that is his Final Stats for those early days with 30% of his 500m+ x 2 l/mates and it took him the full 10 litters before he got the Clean Sweep in Billy The Cid's litter Fabregas has 500m+x2 and as you said they are only very young with plenty to come the Zipping Jewell litter of 10 with Zipping Oscar the 1st to race look more than promising and he is throwing his pups to all Sires ..for mine Fabregas over Cosmic Rumble here and now ..with plenty to come Then have a look at the dog people are bagging in College Causeway he has thrown 3 Individual City Winners in his 1st 5 litters here in OZ and people bag him even he looks promising let's wait and see ...stats may not tell the whole story but the do tell the truth around the stories Just for Interest sake Kev let's look at Brett Lee and his 1st 10 litters he threw a winner in every litter he threw a 500m+ winner in every litter he threw 2 500m+ littermates in every litter he threw 8 Individual City winners in 8 out of his 1st 10 litters he threw 4 Individual City winning littermates in his 1st 10 litters I could've rounded this up to 5 only they were NP races at Sandown he threw his 1st Stud Dog/s in his 1st 10 litters I know these are just Stats Kev and you being a studmaster of Paddy Whacker and Blazing Wildfire along with Sure as I will make sure I am around to do the stats on them because I do think our members and other people in the Industry are tired of what is happening amongst the stud ranks because we aren't getting value for the asking price of a lot of dogs ...we all know that stud fees only ever go 1 way and that's thru the roof
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 23 Sep 2014 22:02
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The Quality of bitches that Fabregas has had is well deserved and this is why he will make it to the very top of sire ranks in a few years .
When you see a sire who has had average bitches produce CITY class dogs week in week out then that out ways any STATS ... IMO....and this is the only factor that should be taken into account but we all think very differently when it comes to our idea's on what we think CLASS SIRE's should be all about ..
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 23 Sep 2014 22:54
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Kev since I have been on this site I don't know how many dogs that get put up on here and are Spruiked about I do these stats because some people have asked me to do them and the time it takes to do them is only minimal hopefully in time I will be doing not only the stats of dogs for their 1st 10 litters but also the Direct damlines of the Sires and bitches.As far as your dogs go they are just that Sires and seeing I'm getting a little long in the tooth with a few health issues I may not be around to do your dogs in a couple of years but I do try to stay about on old mother earth the best I can.here are some more stats on fabregas yes I do monitor him pretty well as I think he is one of the best I have seen since coming back into the dogs Fabregas...... Bombastic Shiraz Wicked Witch Fabregas ....1-10-2010 13sts for 12 wins = 92% Win Strike 500m+ = 12sts 11 wins = 91.6% 400m+ = 1st 1 win = 100% Shortest Distance Raced [SDR} = 461m
To Rate 10 Litters = 5-11-2012
Dam Ritza Nite =/......1st litter Where's Pedro x Midnite Flare** :Pr Metro Multi 6 Pups All Named pup 1 = 3sts 1w @ 400m+ = Bendigo pup 2 = 1st 1w @ 461m+ = Hobart pup 3 = 2sts 1w @ 460m = Geelong pup 4 = Unraced pup 5 = unraced pup 6 = 3sts 3w @ 3 x 460m = Geelong To Date = 4 pups all won
Benangs....... 4sts 1w Proven Dam Brett Lee x Ceejay's Vixen: Proven C/producer 6 pups 1 named pup 1 = 2sts @ 520m Won Q = Cranbourne?
Zipping Jewell* won metro 500m+.....1st litter Mantra Lad x Or Catra* P/C producer 10 pups 9 named 1 unnamed 0 raced as yet
Pattys Lady# Won @ 500m+ = 1st litter Pure Octane x Ikari Lee* P/C producer 4 pups all named pups 1-2-3 unraced pup 4 - 2 sts 0 @ 300m = Canberra
Black Saharrah* won metro 500m+ = 1st litter Meticulous x Giddigan* P @ 500m+ PC/producer 6 pups all named pup 1-2-4-5 unraced pup 3 = 2sts 2pl 515m = Sandown pup 6 = 5sts 2w 2pl 1w x 520m = Cranbourne
Nifty Anna x unraced ......1st litter Premier Fantasy x Diamond Bella proven 520m+ producer 7 pups 1 named 6 unnamed to date
Mystic Pace*City producer x unraced ........3rd litter Spiral Nikita x Leprachaun Pace P C/W & producer 8 pups = 6 named 2 unnamed ...................................................... even these make interesting reading No Sire has been put under the microscope as hard as Fabregas Kev Fabregas x 1st 10 Litters Winner 500m+ 500m+ x 2 1C/win x 2CW/Littermates [1] Ritza Nite 6 pups all raced 4 won 400m+ < Won @ 425 .. x x x x [2] Banangs 6 pups 2 named 1 raced won 460m won @ 460 .. x x x x [3] Florinda Belle 9 pups 6 named 4 raced 2 won 535m won @ 535 ..won won x x [4] Meredith Grey 7 pups 3 named 3 raced 2 won 500m+ Won @ 400 ..won x x x [5] Tittle Tat 7 pups all named 4 raced all won 500m+ won @ 520 ..won won x x [6] Zipping Jewel 10 pups 9 named 1 raced 450m won @ 450 ..x x x x [7] Black Sahara 6 pups all named 2 won 520m won @ 440 ..won x x x [8] Patty's Lady 4 pups all named 2 raced won 310m won @ 310 ..x x x x [9] Nifty Anna 7 pups 4 named 1 raced 0 wins x x x x x [10] Mystic Pace 8 pups all named 2 raced both won to 350m won @ 310 x x x x These stats are current with Fastrack now Kev I don't think we are going off topic I am sure paul Westerveld don't mind the pubucity he is getting for his dog and it does make a great advertisement for all to see maybe down the track your sires will be pitted against Fabregas for a comparison for all to see
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
