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Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 21 Feb 2015 10:51
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Dale Atkin wrote:
Hat trick at wenty tonight! Are Jip , Optus Forte & Nightwatchman
Yes & running 29.55, 29.41 & 30 dead.
He's number 1 sire in my opinion.
Huge run Opus....well done Luke, Dennis & Chris
Shayne Bond Australia (Verified User) Posts 333 Dogs 19 / Races 8 23 Feb 2015 05:00
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One of my litter fab x paua to explode going well. 2 from 2 and 20.79 at Norwa winning by 5.3/4. He looks promising.
David Blench Australia (Verified User) Posts 237 Dogs 11 / Races 0 23 Feb 2015 07:13
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Yes Fabregas is really hitting his straps. The breeding scene really needs a dominant son of Bombastic Shiraz on the stud scene. Looking forward to the following mating which was done this week
Tom Welsh Australia (Verified User) Posts 2112 Dogs 67 / Races 11 10 Mar 2015 05:10
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I was of the belief that Fabregas was only throwing black pups - yet I note that one of his pups is registered as Black and White?
Any ideas on this?
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 10 Mar 2015 06:48
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A sire that throws only black. Can have black and white. And white and black Brett lee also threw these colours
Tom Welsh Australia (Verified User) Posts 2112 Dogs 67 / Races 11 11 Mar 2015 07:58
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Ok - thanks Mick.
Amazing there is only 1. Goes nicely too it seems.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 11 Mar 2015 08:25
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Tom Welsh wrote:
Ok - thanks Mick.
Amazing there is only 1. Goes nicely too it seems.
ours TOM are all black (8) from a fawn mum who's mum was also fawn ,
tom flannagan is the guy who knows all the colour inheritance , if he sees this he may explain it all , i dont understand it lol
tom i think another one was premier fantasy , blacks, white and black, black and white ,,
we had a litter of 12 all white and black from a white and fawn mum
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 11 Mar 2015 08:30
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michael barry wrote:
Tom Welsh wrote:
Ok - thanks Mick.
Amazing there is only 1. Goes nicely too it seems.
ours TOM are all black (8) from a fawn mum who's mum was also fawn ,
tom flannagan is the guy who knows all the colour inheritance , if he sees this he may explain it all , i dont understand it lol
tom i think another one was premier fantasy , blacks, white and black, black and white ,,
we had a litter of 12 all white and black from a white and fawn mum
it only seem yesterday when she was mated, now pups have arrived
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 12 Mar 2015 21:40
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michael bowerman wrote:
michael barry wrote:
Tom Welsh wrote:
Ok - thanks Mick.
Amazing there is only 1. Goes nicely too it seems.
ours TOM are all black (8) from a fawn mum who's mum was also fawn ,
tom flannagan is the guy who knows all the colour inheritance , if he sees this he may explain it all , i dont understand it lol
tom i think another one was premier fantasy , blacks, white and black, black and white ,,
we had a litter of 12 all white and black from a white and fawn mum
it only seem yesterday when she was mated, now pups have arrived
michael, the fabregas pups im talking about was from her previous litter , lol
David Plumridge Australia (Verified User) Posts 414 Dogs 563 / Races 127 12 Mar 2015 22:30
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"ours TOM are all black (8) from a fawn mum who's mum was also fawn , tom flannagan is the guy who knows all the colour inheritance , if he sees this he may explain it all , i dont understand it lol tom i think another one was premier fantasy , blacks, white and black, black and white ,, we had a litter of 12 all white and black from a white and fawn mum"
Fellas, you can look under the Library link of GD & then click on Greyhound Breeding down the left hand side & you will bring up an article by Gavin Fitzpatrick on "Colour Inheritence".
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 13 Mar 2015 00:19
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michael barry wrote:
Tom Welsh wrote:
Ok - thanks Mick.
Amazing there is only 1. Goes nicely too it seems.
ours TOM are all black (8) from a fawn mum who's mum was also fawn ,
tom flannagan is the guy who knows all the colour inheritance , if he sees this he may explain it all , i dont understand it lol
tom i think another one was premier fantasy , blacks, white and black, black and white ,,
we had a litter of 12 all white and black from a white and fawn mum
Fabregas carries two genes for black, and no genes for particolour. Unlike Brett Lee who carried two genes for black and one gene for particolour and one gene for non-particolour, Fabregas would not be expected to produce white and black offspring.
But black and white offspring from Fabregas are not a problem - black and white indicating a significant amount of white but not a majority of white - a majority amount of white is indicated by "white and black".
I have bred 39 pups, every one of which has been registered as black. Every one of those had some white on them on the chest and on the toes. One of them had some white going up his legs and some white on his neck - he was registered as black, but I could have chosen to register him as black and white - exactly where do you draw the line?
But he definitely wasn't white and black (i.e. more white than black - which would have meant he carried two genes for particolour).
Different people would draw the line between "black" and "black and white" differently. Technically every one of the pups I bred was black and white, like almost all greyhounds registered just as black (including Brett Lee and Sobbing Sal for example). Black with not enough white to bother mentioning.
Even Solve The Puzzle, a black and white with plenty of white on him CLICK HERE was definitely not particoloured (going by the colours of his offspring) - that is he carried only one gene for particolour - to be particoloured, i.e. more white than black, a greyhound needs two genes for particolour as the particolour gene is recessive to non-particolour.
A dog like Solve the Puzzle is interesting - I am only confident in saying he would not be described as (genetically) particoloured after looking at his offspring - he would have more particoloured offspring if he carried two genes for particolour.
- Adding to this post after looking through several pages of Solve The Puzzle offspring:
When bred to a particoloured bitch - Solve The Puzzle seems to throw at least his white neck, chest and leg and head markings.
There may be variants of the particolour gene (or the non-particolour gene) that produce varying amounts of white in particular patterns, with Solve the Puzzle being a representative of a specific pattern.
If you count the Solve the Puzzle pattern as particolour, then a lot more of his offspring would qualify as particolour as well. Again - exactly where do you draw the line?
Looking at Solve The Puzzle offspring, I'd guess he carries one gene for particolour (white with coloured patches or spots) and one gene for dark body and head markings with white chest, neck, leg and face markings - with the latter dominant over the gene for the particolour pattern with more white, but recessive to the gene for solid colour. Just my opinion here.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 13 Mar 2015 01:00
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Tom Flanagan wrote:
michael barry wrote:
Tom Welsh wrote:
Ok - thanks Mick.
Amazing there is only 1. Goes nicely too it seems.
ours TOM are all black (8) from a fawn mum who's mum was also fawn ,
tom flannagan is the guy who knows all the colour inheritance , if he sees this he may explain it all , i dont understand it lol
tom i think another one was premier fantasy , blacks, white and black, black and white ,,
we had a litter of 12 all white and black from a white and fawn mum
Fabregas carries two genes for black, and no genes for particolour. Unlike Brett Lee who carried two genes for black and one gene for particolour and one gene for non-particolour, Fabregas would not be expected to produce white and black offspring.
But black and white offspring from Fabregas are not a problem - black and white indicating a significant amount of white but not a majority of white - a majority amount of white is indicated by "white and black".
I have bred 39 pups, every one of which has been registered as black. Every one of those had some white on them on the chest and on the toes. One of them had some white going up his legs and some white on his neck - he was registered as black, but I could have chosen to register him as black and white - exactly where do you draw the line?
But he definitely wasn't white and black (i.e. more white than black - which would have meant he carried two genes for particolour).
Different people would draw the line between "black" and "black and white" differently. Technically every one of the pups I bred was black and white, like almost all greyhounds registered just as black (including Brett Lee and Sobbing Sal for example). Black with not enough white to bother mentioning.
Even Solve The Puzzle, a black and white with plenty of white on him CLICK HERE was definitely not particoloured (going by the colours of his offspring) - that is he carried only one gene for particolour - to be particoloured, i.e. more white than black, a greyhound needs two genes for particolour as the particolour gene is recessive to non-particolour.
A dog like Solve the Puzzle is interesting - I am only confident in saying he would not be described as (genetically) particoloured after looking at his offspring - he would have more particoloured offspring if he carried two genes for particolour.
hi tom , and thanks for the explanation,
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 13 Mar 2015 01:13
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Hi Mick - I have added to my previous post - Solve The Puzzle is a very interesting example. Cheers, Tom
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 20 Mar 2015 22:50
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Fabregas as a sire is starting to pull some punches.
Last night he sired 3 of the 6 heat winners in the Group 3 "New Sensation" at Wentworth Park.
One of those heat winners "No Donuts" also finished 2nd the week before in the Group 2 Richmond Derby Final.
Luke Miller Australia (Verified User) Posts 794 Dogs 56 / Races 17 05 May 2015 04:03
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Gee this boy can throw a fast pup. Seen a boy sizzle last night at the Gardens trials running 10.96-11.60, 22.56 on a bog track where top grade dogs weren't breaking 23. He is a litter brother to young up and comer No Donuts. The owners should expect the phone to run hot when he hits the track if not all ready as i believe he has been breaking the record up the local straight track also.
Patrick D'Arcy Australia (Verified User) Posts 188 Dogs 3 / Races 0 08 May 2015 13:24
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I own 3 broodbitches with one thing in common, they all went to Fabregas. The oldest litter go to breakers in August. So armed with my weekly edition of National Greyhound Form, l have been following Fabregas's progeny with great interest. So far the results have been EXTREMELY encouraging.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 16 May 2015 21:47
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A pretty good weekend at Wentworth Park for this sire.
Not only did he produce a TREBLE of winners at that venue on Friday night...he also repeated the dose again on Saturday.
NO DONUTS & ARE JIP also took OUT B.O.N. honours in both meetings over the 520m trip.
Chris Carl Australia (Verified User) Posts 778 Dogs 20 / Races 0 17 May 2015 00:45
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CLICK HERE Whelped 3d 4b 16/5 to Fabregas. Thanks to Jenny Brown, Chris Patterson and family
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