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Statement on Supreme Court Decision on Water Bowlpage  1 2 3 

Nathan Absalom
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28 Feb 2018 10:25


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This is a public statement on the decision of the Supreme Court of NSW to uphold the decision of GRNSW for suspending my sister Carly Absalom (http://www.grnsw.com.au/news/supreme-court-dismisses-carly-absalom-appeal) for failing to provide a water bowl on kenneling.

I am disgusted with the conduct of both GRNSW and the Supreme Court in this manner. The ruling by the Supreme Court effectively allows GRNSW to create rules that are contrary to the welfare of greyhounds. The Supreme Court ruled that if GRNSW creates a rule or policy that causes unnecessary harm to a greyhound, GRNSW is not responsible for those consequences and it is incumbent on the trainer to not race their greyhound in NSW.

The decision of GRNSW to pursue the case, based on poor and incomplete science, rather than make reasonable concessions in the best interest of the greyhound is utterly incomprehensible for a body that is claiming to look after the welfare of participants and their greyhounds. Shame on them.

As many of you would know, I am a registered attendant and have been writing about greyhound racing and welfare on The Roar and savegreyhoundracing.com.

After both this incident and others, I have come to the conclusion that GRNSW is failing in their responsibility to greyhounds and greyhound racing participants, with some in power within the organisation placing their own egos and power trips above their integrity.

Over the next week or so I will make a decision on whether to continue in the industry or hand in my license, where I will be free to write on my misgivings on GRNSW.

I would like to thank all the wonderful people within greyhound racing for their support of my writings on the Roar and following savegreyhoundracing during the ban.


Charles W Mizzi
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28 Feb 2018 21:43


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nathan absalom wrote:

This is a public statement on the decision of the Supreme Court of NSW to uphold the decision of GRNSW for suspending my sister Carly Absalom (http://www.grnsw.com.au/news/supreme-court-dismisses-carly-absalom-appeal) for failing to provide a water bowl on kenneling.

I am disgusted with the conduct of both GRNSW and the Supreme Court in this manner. The ruling by the Supreme Court effectively allows GRNSW to create rules that are contrary to the welfare of greyhounds. The Supreme Court ruled that if GRNSW creates a rule or policy that causes unnecessary harm to a greyhound, GRNSW is not responsible for those consequences and it is incumbent on the trainer to not race their greyhound in NSW.

The decision of GRNSW to pursue the case, based on poor and incomplete science, rather than make reasonable concessions in the best interest of the greyhound is utterly incomprehensible for a body that is claiming to look after the welfare of participants and their greyhounds. Shame on them.

As many of you would know, I am a registered attendant and have been writing about greyhound racing and welfare on The Roar and savegreyhoundracing.com.

After both this incident and others, I have come to the conclusion that GRNSW is failing in their responsibility to greyhounds and greyhound racing participants, with some in power within the organisation placing their own egos and power trips above their integrity.

Over the next week or so I will make a decision on whether to continue in the industry or hand in my license, where I will be free to write on my misgivings on GRNSW.

I would like to thank all the wonderful people within greyhound racing for their support of my writings on the Roar and following savegreyhoundracing during the ban.

Yes Nathan, what we are dealing with is a government department, Australia wide. I have a sense that WA and South Australia have approached this new era as joint stakeholders with the participants and are listening to the feedback they get and respecting the vast amount of knowledge available.

The Eastern seaboard is another matter. I am in Victoria and I believe the only way to correct the situation is via the election in November. I have not renewed my license so I can voice my views in relation to GRV and what they have done since the Live Baiting fiasco that has claimed innocent people.

People are dropping out at a great rate, oldies that have had fun along the way mixed with the pain and disappointment that comes with any racing animal. "ITS NOT FUN ANYMORE" the newbies will get suspended or disqualed from lack of experience, go look at how many people have gone thru the RADB system, when they finally realised that disqual was causing people to drop out because you have to go thru the whole process to get your license back they started suspending people so their license is handed back.

This all goes back to the perpetuated myth of Overbreeding that GRV embraced as fact, since then it is well known that GA made the 17000 figure up, no actual evidence.

It is the CULTURE of GRV that needs to change and the only way that will happen is with a change in government! Look what's happened under the watch of the current Racing Minister, where are the Chair, CEO, Chief Vet and Chief integrity officer of RVL? All gone, all replaced and all spinning the same crap as was before. Sadly for GRNSW you have copped the mastermind of the Cobalt catastrophe as your 2 I C Dayle Brown........good luck there.

Go for it Nathan.



Malcolm Smart
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28 Feb 2018 22:10


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Nathan, can't understand that your sister thought that a Government Dept would rule against another Government Dept, that just doesn't happen..

I fully support sis, but Government got to stick together..Absolutely ridicules that we are the only state the has the stupid water bowl rule..

BTW, I noticed Mr Provost toeing the party lines...


Steve Bennie
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28 Feb 2018 23:37


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As far as the government is concerned it's full of blocker roach's they all want to listen but there ears wont let them.
( quote from the great Jack Gibson ).
In that court room not one person would know which end of the dog to put the biscuit in except the trainer.
All the more reason wee need to get the SFF PARTY BANDWAGON GOING NOW!.



Hayden Gilders
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01 Mar 2018 04:09


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I didn't realise that the supreme court was a government department



Malcolm Smart
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01 Mar 2018 04:34


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Hayden Gilders wrote:

I didn't realise that the supreme court was a government department

Dept of Justice is not a government dept...????

Supreme Court is not a part of Dept of Justice..??


Russ Forno
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01 Mar 2018 14:36


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What Justice, 13 yrs for killing his wife. Same bloke organised the Bali nine, Chan & Suhkamarin got firing squad. Lagged on everyone, got 2 blokes executed, 4 year plea bargain. Then kills gets 13 years because he's got PTSD. That's the current justice system. You can be anyone you want to be , playing dress-ups under a horse hair wig. That can be interpreted any way you wish. ( and i bet there are no sniffer dogs at the Gay Mardi Gras)



Dan Hollywood
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01 Mar 2018 23:07


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Supreme Court Judge Rothmans is anti Australian
He's against our Fisho's and supports Illegal Aliens
Just another corrupt part of the system.


John Robinson
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02 Mar 2018 22:48


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Dan Hollywood wrote:

Supreme Court Judge Rothmans is anti Australian
He's against our Fisho's and supports Illegal Aliens
Just another corrupt part of the system.

Supreme Court Dismisses Carly Absalom Appeal
Written by: Greyhound Racing NSW

28/02/18

Industry participant Carly Absalom has today been unsuccessful in an application commenced against GRNSW and the Racing Appeals Tribunal, with her claim being dismissed in the Supreme Court of NSW and Ms Absalom being ordered to pay GRNSWs costs of defending the claim.
On 26 June 2017, a GRNSW Steward suspended Ms Absaloms licence to train greyhounds for 16 weeks, in respect of five breaches of R86(ag), for failing to comply with GRNSWs Race Day Hydration and Hot Weather Policy; Policy).
On 17 August 2017, the Tribunal dismissed an appeal by Ms Absalom against the Stewards decision.
On 5 October 2017, Ms Absalom filed proceedings in the Supreme Court, seeking judicial review of the Tribunals decision. In short, Ms Absalom contended that:
The Policy is ultra vires and invalid;
The Tribunal erred in finding that the Policy can and did override R106; and
The Tribunal failed to have regard to evidence concerning the impact on the relevant greyhound of placing a water bowl in its race day kennel.
GRNSW rejected each of the above grounds as without basis.
In a judgment handed down today, Justice Rothman dismissed Ms Absaloms application and awarded costs to GRNSW. In arriving at this decision, Justice Rothman observed:
The Policy is not ultra vires or invalid.
The Policy is intended to give effect to the requirement that greyhounds not be subjected to unnecessary pain or suffering and are, at all times, while in the care of a registered person, provided with proper and sufficient drink. As such, there is no inconsistency between the Policy and Rule 106.
If a particular greyhound is at risk of unnecessary pain and suffering as a result of having a bowl placed in its kennel on race day, then the greyhound is obviously not one that would be appropriate to be raced. In those circumstances, it would be inconsistent with the provisions of Rule 106(2) for a licensed person to enter such a greyhound into a race.
GRNSWs CEO, Tony Mestrov, welcomed the judgment of the Supreme Court.
Welfare of greyhounds is paramount to all of the policies and decisions that GRNSW makes. The Supreme Courts judgment makes it very clear that if a participant does not comply with a GRNSW policy then that participant can be prosecuted for a breach of Rule 86(ag). GRNSW expects all participants to strictly comply with the policies adopted by GRNSW. Mr Mestrov said.
GRNSW will not be making any further public comments on this matter at this time.

What I would like is or participants to write their comments about this press release by Greyhound NSW tell me if I am wrong as it is my opinion that the writer of this release is a bully and is using it to intimidate the participants at best anyone that has not got the balls to sign a press release or at least tell the readers who it is written for are the one that should be scratched form Greyhound racing not the dogs


Charles W Mizzi
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03 Mar 2018 01:16


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This simple question needed to be asked. When was the last time a greyhound had died in air conditioned kennels without a water bowl?

Political Bullying it is. Has happened here in Victoria and the way to correct it is voting them out in your next election. Has any participants had a meeting with the Shadow Minister, I did here and many others too! This new CEO would know jack about the industry and the 2 I C is the champion of the COBALT CRUCIFICTION in Victoria, so you have a Mexican in your midst...........good luck.




John Robinson
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03 Mar 2018 01:51


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If a particular greyhound is at risk of unnecessary pain and suffering as a result of having a bowl placed in its kennel on race day, then the greyhound is obviously not one that would be appropriate to be raced. In those circumstances, it would be inconsistent with the provisions of Rule 106(2) for a licensed person to enter such a greyhound into a race.

A couple of questions on the above para of the release.
(1) Has there been any exemptions granted to participants so they have not got to have a water bowl in the kennel.
(2) If there has been exemptions granted why and by who and was our supreme court wig head told of these.
(3) who was the person that proposed the buckets and what was the information the person made about wether all dogs needed to have a bucket in the kennel.
(4)who was the person who said that there was no exemptions and is that person still employed by GRNSW.
These are only a few of the things I see wrong with this release and for Mr now in charge to say GRNSW will make no comments at this time is a joke



Jodie Lord
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03 Mar 2018 02:49


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john robinson wrote:

If a particular greyhound is at risk of unnecessary pain and suffering as a result of having a bowl placed in its kennel on race day, then the greyhound is obviously not one that would be appropriate to be raced. In those circumstances, it would be inconsistent with the provisions of Rule 106(2) for a licensed person to enter such a greyhound into a race.

A couple of questions on the above para of the release.
(1) Has there been any exemptions granted to participants so they have not got to have a water bowl in the kennel.
(2) If there has been exemptions granted why and by who and was our supreme court wig head told of these.
(3) who was the person that proposed the buckets and what was the information the person made about wether all dogs needed to have a bucket in the kennel.
(4)who was the person who said that there was no exemptions and is that person still employed by GRNSW.
These are only a few of the things I see wrong with this release and for Mr now in charge to say GRNSW will make no comments at this time is a joke

Neal stains got a exemption because the dog kept attacking the bucket to the point it was detrimental to the dog and for anyone interested rumor has it that the water policy will be dismantled very soon good timing



Carole Brown
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03 Mar 2018 02:52


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Good news, Jodie.


Jodie Lord
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Carole Brown wrote:

Good news, Jodie.

yes carol it is good news I still think the water policy was ok if it was optional and trainers supplied there own water trainers know there dogs and if they felt they needed water in the kennel then thats ok my biggest problem with the water was it hat to many integrity issues when water was supplied by clubs and not the trainers as I said no one knows there dogs like there trainer



Dan Hollywood
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03 Mar 2018 21:14


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If the policy is going to be dismantled then Miss Absalom has only 7 days to appeal.


Mark Donohue
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03 Mar 2018 23:19


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The most expensive water bowl known to man.



Anthony McVicker
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04 Mar 2018 03:27


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and NSW participants thought Mr Mestrov was our saviour.

Don't forget his first public address to participants on the LISTENING tour at Bathurst where he stated " I have been in the role 6 weeks and I know what the issues are "


Mark Staines
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Anthony McVicker wrote:

and NSW participants thought Mr Mestrov was our saviour.

Don't forget his first public address to participants on the LISTENING tour at Bathurst where he stated " I have been in the role 6 weeks and I know what the issues are "

Don't worry Mr Scott and his GBOTA will get it sorted !



Steve Bennie
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04 Mar 2018 18:33


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Mark more chance of me winning LOTTO!


Mark Donohue
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04 Mar 2018 19:18


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Anthony McVicker wrote:

and NSW participants thought Mr Mestrov was our saviour.

Don't forget his first public address to participants on the LISTENING tour at Bathurst where he stated " I have been in the role 6 weeks and I know what the issues are "

Not all participants.

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