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Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5913 Dogs 12952 / Races 40209 17 Aug 2019 06:17
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Padjoe Dorney wrote:
Greyhound data team will not entertain its own thread, each thread is removed as soon as I put one up. the most important meeting in recent times within the Irish Greyhound industry, this is not an advertisement its the facts letting each concerned greyhound owner and breeder have information on where and when the meeting is. I am the official PRO for the only legitimate IGOBF, and some of the posts have been removed due to reports from the GLC group, which are not legally the IGOBF as per the IGOBF constitution. This post will also be removed. Just letting you know the official reasons why it has not got its own thread. Frustrating.
Padjoe its frustrating for us also that you think you can do what you like on GD. Other groups from around the world have done the right thing and have their own threads.
We are simply telling you the same as we have told the other IGOBF for years.
Tell the truth about why your posts are being removed. Other groups support GD by becoming Diamond members this then gives them their own thread and relieves us of some of the legal burden associated with their posts. The normal cost is 750 euro. We have offered this to both the IGOBF groups for 400 euro long before the RTE programme but neither of you have taken up our offer.
This is the official reason your own thread is being removed. The same rules apply to you as they do to everyone else.
Tony, our group do not have 400 euro to use on a diamond membership. My posts are no different than any other group posting on data. There are many similar groups posting on individual threads sharing information re meeting schedules etc. There is nothing in any of my posts that can be of legal burden to greyhound Data. It is the menacing and hindrance from certain individuals who are causing untold damage to the greyhound industry in Ireland that have an issue with my posts. I am trying to use data to share this information as a respected greyhound site. There are many other outlets to share this information. I will refrain from posting anymore information in relation to the Irish Greyhound Owners and Breeders Federation, the only legal and official group.
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5913 Dogs 12952 / Races 40209 17 Aug 2019 06:42
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Padjoe, its your choice how you run your group and how you get information out there. Your posts are different as there is currently two IGOBF groups and from GD side we will continue to be unbias and treat both of you the same.
Even how you finish off "the only legal and official group" shows point scoring and not solving the situation.
I hope the IGOBF's can move forward as one sooner than later and tackle the task at hand.
Forum Administrator (Team Member) Posts 200 Dogs 3 / Races 1 17 Aug 2019 19:20
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Padjoe Dorney wrote:
Tony, our group do not have 400 euro to use on a diamond membership. My posts are no different than any other group posting on data. There are many similar groups posting on individual threads sharing information re meeting schedules etc. There is nothing in any of my posts that can be of legal burden to greyhound Data. It is the menacing and hindrance from certain individuals who are causing untold damage to the greyhound industry in Ireland that have an issue with my posts. I am trying to use data to share this information as a respected greyhound site. There are many other outlets to share this information. I will refrain from posting anymore information in relation to the Irish Greyhound Owners and Breeders Federation, the only legal and official group.
Padjoe, both parties claiming to be the official IGOBF representatives were offered information only threads free of charge, on the basis that they put forth exactly the facts as they believe to be correct in order to inform the public of both parties stances. It was explained that they were not for propaganda purposes but purley to inform people of the correct facts so they could make up their own minds. In the interest of fairness as the CLG group were informed of this after you had posted in your thread, GD decided to give the CLG 3 days to ready a statement to be posted, if they wished, and it was agreed that GD would go live with both threads at the same time. It was pointed out that in your statement certain critical information regarding the letter received with the returning officers decision was left out. In the interest of transparency and the spirit of the thread being to tell the whole facts GD asked you to amend your statement to reflect this and that the thread would be re-posted once the 3 day window was passed. To date GD has not received this updated version from you and neither have they received any official statement from the CLG to start their information only thread. With that in mind it is very, very dissapointing that you choose to say GD will not entertain giving you your own thread.
As I have said before, I respect greyhound Data, I will not be using Data for anymore IGOBF information sharing. I have only posted official statements as released in the press and media, I cannot change parts of the statement to suit others, I also only use data to inform people of open meetings for people to attend in the interest of our great sport. I will no longer put you in a position to remove anymore posts. I can use the other outlets available to us. Just for the record, we do not want our own specific thread in posting that is not any different to others. The posts that were removed are similar to many others advertising meetings and requesting support at those meetings. Many thanks for your time and support to the Irish Greyhound Industry. Greyhound Data remains a valuable data base to all Greyhound folk worldwide. Regards Padjoe Dorney PRO IGOBF
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Aug 2019 07:09
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Forum Administrator wrote:
Padjoe Dorney wrote:
Tony, our group do not have 400 euro to use on a diamond membership. My posts are no different than any other group posting on data. There are many similar groups posting on individual threads sharing information re meeting schedules etc. There is nothing in any of my posts that can be of legal burden to greyhound Data. It is the menacing and hindrance from certain individuals who are causing untold damage to the greyhound industry in Ireland that have an issue with my posts. I am trying to use data to share this information as a respected greyhound site. There are many other outlets to share this information. I will refrain from posting anymore information in relation to the Irish Greyhound Owners and Breeders Federation, the only legal and official group.
Padjoe, both parties claiming to be the official IGOBF representatives were offered information only threads free of charge, on the basis that they put forth exactly the facts as they believe to be correct in order to inform the public of both parties stances. It was explained that they were not for propaganda purposes but purley to inform people of the correct facts so they could make up their own minds. In the interest of fairness as the CLG group were informed of this after you had posted in your thread, GD decided to give the CLG 3 days to ready a statement to be posted, if they wished, and it was agreed that GD would go live with both threads at the same time. It was pointed out that in your statement certain critical information regarding the letter received with the returning officers decision was left out. In the interest of transparency and the spirit of the thread being to tell the whole facts GD asked you to amend your statement to reflect this and that the thread would be re-posted once the 3 day window was passed. To date GD has not received this updated version from you and neither have they received any official statement from the CLG to start their information only thread. With that in mind it is very, very dissapointing that you choose to say GD will not entertain giving you your own thread.
There was no updated version posted because it would have put an end to all the untruths that have been told to all people using Data. Here is the part that was deliberately left out to confuse everyone on data.
The Appeals Board allows the appeal and Directs that the Original address is Reinstated in the Register. 100% FACTS.
This was the first ever appeal to take place in the history of the Seanad and it was overseen by a high profile Judge who has recognized that the only recognized body is that of the IGOBF CLG.
Tony Gallagher has a full copy of the letter i received from Mr Finnagan Clerk of the Dail and Secretary General, please put it up on G-Data so there is no more lies or confusing information being told regarding the recognized body.
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5913 Dogs 12952 / Races 40209 18 Aug 2019 08:22
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Dave, yes I have the copy of the letter you sent me but I will not "put it up on Greyhound-Data". We will not get involved or take sides in this dispute.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 18 Aug 2019 11:26
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Dave if you have the letter in full and supposedly quoting "facts"100%. Why are you asking everyone else to put it up.
Taking lines from any correspondence may well misrepresent its intent if the full correspondence is not seen and in what context it is stated.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Aug 2019 12:12
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Tony Gallagher wrote:
Dave, yes I have the copy of the letter you sent me but I will not "put it up on Greyhound-Data". We will not get involved or take sides in this dispute.
Tony, there is no dispute about the federation. There is only one federation and not two as you are trying to imply. The federation has a constitution and is registered with Dail Eireann , we have two Dail nominations to the senate, it is also registered with the CRO and no other group can either register a federation with the Dail or the CRO, as they would be illegal. Up to now you have been taking sides with a breakaway group and they have been posting on your site, untruths and posts that are both libelist and slanderous to our federation and some of the officers. Like I said our federation has a constitution and any groups that are formed representing their own greyhound tracks are all welcome to join the federation provided they abide by the constitution and its rules and come in the front door, without trying to use backdoor tactics to try and take it over. You have been sent 2 copies of information with names and addresses on this information and you state you wont post them on Data as you dont want to get involved in any disputes, well Tony you are already involved as your site has allowed another group who claim to represent the IGOBF when they actually represent no one, Facts. I hope this clarifies the situation for you and everyone else going forward.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 18 Aug 2019 13:23
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Dave post the full letter please not a big ask is it,
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 18 Aug 2019 13:34
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"Tony, there is no dispute about the federation ." Seriously Dave what planet are you on.
"as your site has allowed another group who claim to represent the IGOBF when they actually represent no one, Facts." That being the case call a meeting of all the GOBAs in Ireland and let them vote and let it be over seen by a independent body. If as you say "they actually represent no one, Facts." There should not be a problem doing this, it's called democracy .
Surely number one priority to any group that claims to represent the greyhound owners and breeders of Ireland is that they, the group, have the support of those people, other wise who do they represent other than themselves individually, which is dictatorship.
Paul Mc Donnell Ireland (Verified User) Posts 419 Dogs 92 / Races 0 18 Aug 2019 14:02
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Mr Cunningham,who is in your federation
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5913 Dogs 12952 / Races 40209 18 Aug 2019 14:07
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Dave, so you are saying by allowing posts on GD we agree with them? Come on. There are hundreds/thousands of posts on GD, according to your logic we agree with them all.
GD is not involved and at the moment my statement is correct there are 2 different organisations calling themselves the IGOBF. It is not my job or Greyhound-Data's to take sides or get involved.
Personally I think it really is a shame that both IGOBFs are focusing on who is correct instead of focusing on keeping the Irish Greyhound Industry alive.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 18 Aug 2019 17:23
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Dave why won't you post the full letter by not doing so you are leaving people to think their is more to this than meets the eye do the right thing and post the full detailed letter...the people of this industry at this stage deserve to decide who represent them please explain to the people why the CLG Federation was formed who formed it and who voted the members of the CLG Federation in surly these are reasonable questions for you to answer,
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Aug 2019 17:45
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Tony Gallagher wrote:
Dave, so you are saying by allowing posts on GD we agree with them? Come on. There are hundreds/thousands of posts on GD, according to your logic we agree with them all.
GD is not involved and at the moment my statement is correct there are 2 different organisations calling themselves the IGOBF. It is not my job or Greyhound-Data's to take sides or get involved.
Personally I think it really is a shame that both IGOBFs are focusing on who is correct instead of focusing on keeping the Irish Greyhound Industry alive.
Tony stop the crap and post both letters i sent you there is enough information there to show who is who, if you dont post them im finished with your site.
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5913 Dogs 12952 / Races 40209 18 Aug 2019 18:15
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Dave, now you are being offensive. Post your own letters.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 18 Aug 2019 18:24
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Dave this site is a very valuable asset to our industry Tony has made it clear he does not want to take sides and he is been as fair as he can be to both sides you have the letter so why are you asking someone else to post it to me it sounds like you may have sent an edited version of a letter to Tony now if that is not the case please post the letter so we can all see it...
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Aug 2019 20:23
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 18 Aug 2019 22:32
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
Tony Gallagher wrote:
Dave, so you are saying by allowing posts on GD we agree with them? Come on. There are hundreds/thousands of posts on GD, according to your logic we agree with them all.
GD is not involved and at the moment my statement is correct there are 2 different organisations calling themselves the IGOBF. It is not my job or Greyhound-Data's to take sides or get involved.
Personally I think it really is a shame that both IGOBFs are focusing on who is correct instead of focusing on keeping the Irish Greyhound Industry alive.
Tony stop the crap and post both letters i sent you there is enough information there to show who is who, if you dont post them im finished with your site.
Are you serious... .Post your own diatribe and stop trying to pass the blame onto others ...
Dave i will leave you with this bit of advice .... Walk away and achieve nothing for no one ...or
If you have an important point to make, dont try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time a tremendous whack.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 18 Aug 2019 22:58
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That letter doesnt state that ye are the official igobf. It says its not the duty of the Seanad to determine who is the correct body. Thats why igb offered a mediator. And Gus Ryan is named as the person to whom yer mail from the Seanad goes to who's Gus Ryan Dave???
Ye seem to believe that the Seanad recognises ye as the official IGOBF, That is not the case. The letter says it is impossible to determine who is the correct Federation and they must resolve the situation themselves. Hence the need for a mediator. But ye wont agree to that because ye know ye will be exposed...
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